cbirltx504
发表于 2012-2-7 02:09:42
恩,看来176换地方是相当严重 和 不被认同。。。
而475 可能考虑到已经被 偏远地区所限制,相当宽一些。。。
tosewzgm5
发表于 2012-2-7 02:51:22
看来还是475宽松啊。LZ不行整个475算了。
2g3i1270
发表于 2012-2-7 10:14:06
其实我对这个问题的看法一直没变过:176,475的存在自然有它们自己本身的意义,谁给你担保的,OK,做个诚实诚信的人,为当地做出你该做出的贡献。至于澳洲政府的人性化,不应该成为你滥用的一个对象。当然只是我个人看法。就像这个帖子的17楼fatbighead所说的,只有moral obligation能限制你,而法律上你是自由的(参见我下一楼的帖子)。
其实176和475是一样的。下面以176为例子。
visa grant notice and specific conditions 176
http://www.pomsinoz.com/forum/mi ... nditions-176-a.html
看5楼的回复:
看6楼的回复:
最后提到的‘as this may not directly affect you but will likely others’,讨论的是如果大家都滥用这种自由的话,后果是什么呢?
说句不好听的话,其实是我Phd导师(也是华人)的原话,‘中国人喜欢钻空子,还经常以为老外傻,真是太天真的,结果中国人很多落得个不好的名声’。为啥落得个不好的名声?很大一部分原因就是没有打心里看重‘moral obligation’这个事情。
再者,何为钻空子?个人理解就是法律的空子,人情的空子。澳洲是讲法律的地方,也是人性化的地方,但是不代表这种法律的空子和人性化就应该成为大家滥用的对象。
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恭喜发财02
发表于 2012-2-7 16:19:07
至于是否可跨出担保区域的说法,其实176和475也是一样的,在法律上是可以的。下面也以176为例子。(结论和这个帖子的17楼fatbighead所提到的另一个帖子是一致的)
Can 176 visa condition of 2 yrs of work and live in same state be removed
http://www.pomsinoz.com/forum/mi ... -state-removed.html
看7楼的回复:
可以看出这个人的看法是(我看分析得很合理):176跨出担保区域对你将来入籍是没有任何影响的。176签证持有人可以把176 PR当175 PR使,至少在法律层面是这样的。
看14楼的回复:
该帖子楼主打算向SA州政府申请免除176的签证‘限制’。(单引号表示,其实根本不存在这个限制)
看15楼的SA州政府的回复:
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宝山得宝
发表于 2012-2-8 01:24:32
多谢啦,看来能不犯规还是不要犯规,对于176,是否可以主申一个人先在担保洲呆2年,副申在国内呆着,2年后可以自由区各州时,副申再过去?
或者副申去呆两年,主申国内留守,自由后主申再过去?
豆豆水晶
发表于 2012-2-8 08:15:48
都是很有用的帖子啊!
谁是谁的遇见
发表于 2012-2-8 19:25:04
请问这是在哪里看到这段话的? 为什么我收到的WA州担保书上不是这样写的呢? 没有看到"Applicants using Western Australian state sponsorship are required to live in Western Australia for at least the first 2 years after visa grant."呀...
我收到的是这样的:
Please note Western Australia Government sponsorship is not automatically transferable to any other State or Territory in Australia. You are required to seek the endorsement of the Small Business Development Corporation before making any plans to relocate to any other State or Territory in Australia.
In addition, you will need to seek the approval of the Small Business Development Corporation before making any changes in the commitments made in your application in preparation for sponsorship of your permanent residency visa.
然后附了一份STATE SPONSORSHIP AGREEMENT, 上面的commitment是这样的:
1. You remain living and working in Western Australia;
2. You keep the Western Australia Government informed of your contact details after your arrival;
3. You complete a settlement survey every six months for a period of 24 months; and
4, You transfer around A$35000 into Western Australia for living costs and domestic arrangements.
翻遍了也没有看到要first 2 years呀... 所以这里想问一下各位大侠, 根据以上收到的州担保书和commitment的内容, 是不是可以先去别的州工作, 然后在签证的最后2年到西澳呆着就可以了? 如果这样做了, 会对签证到期后转RRV或者以后的入籍有影响吗?
黑人类
发表于 2012-2-9 03:03:52
看来WA担保书有变化,现在最新的版本是有明确规定不能去别的州了,我是说475,176不知道
我的也有这段话
Please note Western Australian state sponsorship is not transferable to any other State or Territory in Australia.
Applicants using Western Australian state sponsorship are required to live in Western Australia for at least the
first 2 years after visa grant.
ocia0259
发表于 2012-2-9 10:26:55
我是victory 州担保的176, 文件如下
http://www.liveinvictoria.vic.go ... ass-176#Obligations
获得担保资格应遵守的义务
Your sponsorship obligations
通知州政府你的入境日期
Notification of visa grant and arrival
You must email us with notification of DIAC’s decision on your visa application. You must also notify us by email when you arrive in Victoria.
If you are living outside Australia, you do not need to arrive in Australia before a certain date for the purpose of Victorian sponsorship, however DIAC usually stipulate a date by which you must enter Australia on your visa. Contact DIAC directly with any queries regarding this requirement.
在维多利亚州住满2年(前2年)
Live and work in Victoria for two years
You, and any sponsored dependants, must live in Victoria for the first two years of your sponsored visa. This two year period begins when you enter Australia permanently on your Skilled – Sponsored (176) visa.
完成邮件调查
Complete five email surveys
There are five short surveys that you must complete over the two year period. The surveys will be sent to you via email.
You will receive your first survey when you arrive in Australia and then you will receive one every six months.
The responses and feedback in the surveys are used to evaluate and improve the Victorian Government’s Skilled and Business Migration Program.
工作(你没必要一定要在指定的行业工作)
Employment
While we hope you are able to find work in your nominated occupation, it is not mandatory to work in your nominated occupation.
这是维多利亚州的,不知道其他州如何
规定很明确啊,前2年居住要求,
(没说一定要工作满1年,那是475)
爬爬书虫
发表于 2012-2-9 18:31:29
However, ultimately, if you do decide to move, you should e-mail Immigration SA so that we can update our records accordingly and not contact you further.
最后一句话显示了SA DIAC的无奈。。。无法阻止你出SA的话,唯一能做的就是删系统啦