德阳最帅
发表于 2013-6-9 16:52:47
奇怪的是其他专业的怎么不用扣减2年，比如你朋友是电气工程师，他一开始工作就可以算入工作经验，大家一样工作8年，结果电气工程师算8年，你IT只算6年，平白无故少了分数，太恶心了点吧
570208542
发表于 2013-6-9 20:04:05
其他专业申请者少，配额都用不完。。软件申请者多，配额不够。。
金金运
发表于 2013-6-10 01:26:53
SKILL LEVEL不够，用VENDOR CERT补也好还是用5年补也好，是SKILL LEVEL的要求。现在ACS改了，说达到summary of criteria以后才算SKILLED，是SKILLED EMPLOYMENT的要求。这两个要求应该是AND的关系，不是OR。
cc2l2l6k6
发表于 2013-6-10 09:10:31
22.1 When is an applicant skilled
Skilled on basis of educational qualifications
An applicant is taken to be capable of undertaking work at a skilled level only after they have met the entry level requirements for that occupation.
If the entry level prescribed for the applicant’s nominated occupation is a certain qualification only work undertaken after the applicant has completed that qualification will be counted as skilled employment.
是有这么回事。。。但是。。。
22 Employment must be skilled
For employment to be considered ‘skilled’ it must meet two requirements:
1.that it was undertaken after the applicant met the entry level requirements for that occupation (that is, completed a sufficient level of study or amount of on-the-job training) and
2.that it involved duties at the level of depth and complexity expected in Australia.
In assessing both factors, case officers should have regard to ANZSCO. For occupations for which ANZSCO does not provide adequate guidance, case officers should consider the requirements set by the relevant assessing authority.
还有。。。
22.2 Skilled after on the job training
The three main occupations for which on the job training can be used to obtain a suitable skills assessment are the trades, management positions and IT professionals.
As these applicants do not have an identifiable date of registration or completion of their formal studies, the assessing body will normally prescribe a date as of which the applicant is assessed as meeting the Australian standard for the occupation.
If this date has not been identified by the assessing authority, a case officer should have regard to ANZSCO in the first instance or where ANZSCO is silent, the guidelines used by the relevant assessing authority, to determine how long a person would need to work in that occupation before they would be considered to meet the Australian entry level requirement.
所以目前很不乐观。
iips50gykm
发表于 2013-6-10 21:07:55
过度的猜测解读只是在满足心理上的不愿接受现实,希望还能挽回.
现实是,口子已经收紧了或者为收紧做准备,就这么简单.
FUCK,我TMD也要被减2年,不如转会计去了.....
社会病态
发表于 2013-6-11 00:26:27
谢谢 你引用的信息 我有些个人的理解 标注如下 仅供参考
22 Employment must be skilled
For employment to be considered ‘skilled’ it must meet two requirements:
1.that it was undertaken after the applicant met the entry level requirements for that occupation (that is, completed a sufficient level of study or amount of on-the-job training) and
In assessing both factors, case officers should have regard to ANZSCO.
=====>这里针对 ANZSCO does not provide adequate guidance：
大部分的ICT Occupation Code在ANZSCO描述里提供了guidance:
Australian Skills Recognition Information (ASRI) http://www.immi.gov.au/asri/
举例 261313 software-engineer http://www.immi.gov.au/asri/occupations/s/software-engineer.htm
Skill level
This occupation has a level of skill commensurate with a bachelor degree or higher qualification. <--Formal qualification
At least five years of relevant experience may substitute for the formal qualification.<--如果没有Formal qualification, 如何替代
In some instances relevant experience and/or on-the-job training may be required in addition to the formal qualification (ANZSCO Skill Level 1). <--某些情况下，光Formal qualification还不够，Like SummitLegal 所说，这里什么是some instances某些情况下，不清楚，不过这个应该属于个别案例CO的不同处理，不是针对群体所有。
另外请参考这里DIAC 对于如何在EOI Claim分数 尤其什么是Skilled employment的解释说明：
http://skillselect.govspace.gov. ... skilled-employment/
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还有。。。
22.2 Skilled after on the job training
The three main occupations for which on the job training can be used to obtain a suitable skills assessment are the trades, management positions and
If this date has not been identified by the assessing authority, a case officer should have regard to ANZSCO in the first instance or where ANZSCO is silent, the guidelines used by the relevant assessing authority, to determine how long a person would need to work in that occupation before they would be considered to meet the Australian entry level requirement.
所以目前很不乐观。
======>这里针对标题 22.2 Skilled after on the job training：
通过on-the-job training来获得skilled，也可以是属于前面说的'some instances'。 另外好像也是特别针对于那些通过RPL方式职业评估的应征者。 也就是下列二种情况申请人：
1）RPL申请人 - 就是说申请人的学历学位可能不是ICT major或者没有Formal qualification，通过其他方式来代替的
2) 在'Some instances'范畴里的申请人 - 这部分人可能拥有Formal qualification，但是还是被要求‘relevant experience’ and/or ‘on-the-job training’，不过应该属于个案申请人，不是所有群体
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总结：
目前来看 似乎这些skilled employment可能更多是针对一些非ICT major Formal qualification的申请人或者RPL申请人，要么是对非群体的特别个案under 'some instances'.
这些还都是些个人理解和解读 具体还是看DIAC官方是否有7.1.2013新政措施或者明白的官方说明。
wr28hujxzi
发表于 2013-6-11 10:19:55
目前最大的毛病就是第二条，还有什么是adequate的标准。DIAC如果认为ABS, ANZSCO不adequate，也是他一句话说了算的事，他可以直接REF ACS的年限。和OJT还没什么太大关系。22条款下，一共有2个条件，第一个是学历和学历的补充。这个好说。但是第二条是活的。结合目前ACS的表现。来者不善。这就是我为什么说，DIAC可以不发布新消息就能直接扣。
当然不扣大家都HAPPY，如果71 DIAC不出新消息，只能看随后的申请人结果了。
22 Employment must be skilled
For employment to be considered ‘skilled’ it must meet two requirements:
1.that it was undertaken after the applicant met the entry level requirements for that occupation (that is, completed a sufficient level of study or amount of on-the-job training) and
2.that it involved duties at the level of depth and complexity expected in Australia.
In assessing both factors, case officers should have regard to ANZSCO. For occupations for which ANZSCO does not provide adequate guidance, case officers should consider the requirements set by the relevant assessing authority.
快乐的小朋友
发表于 2013-6-11 16:51:59
唉，坐等7.1后
ACS减掉2年的话，我只有4年工作经验了，唉，只能拼4个7啊。。。。
天海南北
发表于 2013-6-11 20:39:51
先该干嘛还干嘛
lulfrmayp
发表于 2013-6-12 08:36:13
问题是diac不说清楚，我们不知道claim多少分啊？多算2年到时被拒会不会留污点啊。
个人估计1／7之前diac应该会给个解释。
不过居然是移民局要求加的，肯定不是好事，他们肯定有什么注意了：比如申请人太多马上执行，申请人少先观察等等。